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i believe lindsey graham put together the dinner list. i think it was very smartly done because you had both conservative and moderate republicans in that room. which would breed some trust on the outside, that everybody was represented. i think that what the president is trying to do, the common-sense caucus that, you know, talking points coming out of the white house on this, there's no other option. the leadership doesn't have control of their caucuses. it's been proven time and time and time again. the president knows that. those folks in the white house know that. john boehner can't get a deal done because he doesn't have the support of his caucus. so let's go to the members of that caucus who could potentially put a deal together. there's no other option. this is the way it has to be done. and i think it's very smart what he's doing. >> michael steele, do you have an incisive analytical comment to make disguised as a question? >> no. look, i picked myself up off the floor after reading gene's piece this morning. you know, gene, brot
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. >> for the lindsey grahams of the world who say gitmo all the time. that's fine. but those who say military commissions, military commissions, sorry, but he can't be charged with material support for terrorism, which can carry a life sentence, because that is disallowed at a legal matter in military commission. but keep in mind the administration backed down from trying kalib shake mohammad in manhattan after police said security would cost $200 million per year. this trial is expect it to take three weeks. >> shepard: thanks very much. juror john mccain is with us now, member of the snarl averaged services committee, the senate committee on homeland security, back home in arizona. senator, thank you. >> thank you. >> how do you feel about this trial in lower manhattan? >> well, of course i'd be very interested in these days of sequestration how much the security costs will be. but importantly in the short term, if this individual got his miranda rights, which i'm confident he did, because any good lawyer is going to tell his or her client to do that -- then we ar
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but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that president bush was going to kill anybody with a drone. yeah, i don't even remember the harshest critics of the -- of president bush on the democratic side. they had a drone program back then. so what is it? all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every republican so spun up? to my party, i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer apparently think we're at war. >> "new york times" photographer caught this image yesterday of what must have been an interesting elevator ride for senators mccain and paul. >>> john brennan who's nomination to lead the cia was temporarily blocked
but some fellow republicans, including senators john mccain and lindsey graham are slamming rand's public protest and members of their own party have joined in. >> the country needs more senators who care about liberty. but if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> to my republican colleagues, i don't remember any of you...
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now, lindsey graham said i fully support the administration's opinion on drones overseas and suppose we had patriot missiles available, a military solution on 9/11, we would have taken those planes out, yes, we would have lost the lives on the plane, but saved the lives in the building. sometimes you can't rule out the military, even in the u.s., and he and holder agree on that. as i say, no member of the judiciary committee today where he was testifying completely said no, we shouldn't use drones in the u.s. against an american citizen. >> there's some people holding up signs protesting drones, there's a contingent of people that believe it immoral, yet in every public poll, this is the rare thing which partisans tend to agree, 60%, 70% support the use of drones to get suspected terrorists. how much do the politics of this play in, pete, that politicians are well aware that this is a policy that is wildly popular in the country. in terms of developing strictures and further rules and asking for more information? >> i think that may be part of it, but this is something that doesn't g
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lindsey graham late yesterday on this move. >> we're putting the administration on notice. we think that sneaking this guy into the country clearly going around the intent of congress when it comes to enemy combatants will be challenged. bill: erick erickson, editor-in-chief redstate.com and fox news contributor here in new york. good morning to you. you busted out of georgia. >> good morning. bill: welcome back to new york here. this is usama bin laden's son-in-law. he is in custody in new york city. he will face a judge through some legal proceeding today. why not send him to gitmo? >> they should but this administration doesn't have a good policy on containment in gitmo. they want to shut it down. they know they can't. they can't blow them all up with drones so this will be a trial. what they tried to do with khalid sheikh mohammed, there was national outcry over that so they sneaked him into new york. it pains me to say nice things about lindsey graham after the tirade about rand paul yesterday but he is right. democrats and republicans are opposed to this. bill: this i
lindsey graham late yesterday on this move. >> we're putting the administration on notice. we think that sneaking this guy into the country clearly going around the intent of congress when it comes to enemy combatants will be challenged. bill: erick erickson, editor-in-chief redstate.com and fox news contributor here in new york. good morning to you. you busted out of georgia. >> good morning. bill: welcome back to new york here. this is usama bin laden's son-in-law. he is in...
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he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are our enemies. and that would be the one caveat that i would put on any military advice to go forward along those lines. we don't want to inadvertently with the best of intentions arm people who are basically sworn enemies. >> you say you would have to get some degree of confidence in order to make that recommendation. as of this time do you have that level of confidence yet? >> i do not, chairman. but i have not been tasked at this mission so i've not looked deeply into this yet, either. host: with this comes a tweet for our guest. what is th
he's joined by senator lindsey graham. i think in many ways perhaps the most vocal voice on the hill is that of senator mccain. host: let's hear from general james madison head of u.s. central command he was on capitol hill this week this past tuesday and was asked if he thinks the u.s. should provide lethal assistance. >> chairman, the situation is so complex that i have to get some degree of confidence that the weapons that we would be arming them with are not going to people who are...
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on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together, they can reach a deal, he's hoping house republicans will allow it to come to the floor and be voted on. i think that could be a good, smart strategy. the president has tried a lot. he's watched super bowl with the republicans, had them over to his house, watched movies with them, played basketball with them. and none of that has worked on a lot of issues. i'm not sure -- >> i love the way you say he's had them over to his house, it's the white house. that struck me as, yeah, okay. anyway, thank you guys. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >>> now to number five on our first five web stories, the bie
on the budget deficit, there's a group of republicans, bob corker of tennessee, lindsey graham of south carolina who want to reap some big bipartisan reduction deal that has tax increases and also spending cuts in it. and the president is trying to engage that group. try to work around. he knows mitchell mcconnell probably doesn't want to help him because of the primary. but the goal of the president is to work with republicans, about 12 republicans. if they can get something drawn together,...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever? and his answer was yes, if i deem them to be a safety risk. problem is that's an accusation, if a government or a politician calls you an enemy combatant, is that enough to whisk you off to guantanamo bay or is that enough to have a drone strike on you? and see, both of these senators argue that america is part of the battlefield for the laws of war apply. well, the laws of war sometimes don't involve due process and i acknowledge that. if soldiers -- if the enemy is shooting at our soldiers, there is no due process involved with that, we shoot back to kill. there are no judges and juries, but ameri
graham, they accused you of theaterics or political stunt i think senator mccain used. is this a fair debate and how do you respond to that? >> i think it's a good debate. i think they're on the wrong side of history. >> greta: do you mind they called it a stunt? >> i don't admire that kind of add homonym, but they've been arguing you can indefinitely detain a u.s. citizen, i asked senator mccain directly can you send a u.s. citizen to guantanamo bay without a trial forever?...
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senator lindsey graham spoke to fox news after the meal. he indicates they are heading in the right direction but there is still a long way to go. >> i can tell you that the president has been the campaigner in chief and it hasn't worked, and at the end of the day this is his legacy, his last term, and i do believe that the ronald reagan model where he sat down with tip o'neal has been the right model. the president has been a very distant figure to republicans and democrats. he's always on the campaign trail. i haven't talked to him in over a year. but now he's engaging members of the senate, and the house, not just the leadership, and i encourage the president to keep this up. ronald reagan and tip o'neal saved social security from bankruptcy but not just talking but by doing. so i hope the president will end the perpetual campaign and start governing. and governing means talking. jenna: we have the washington bureau chief for the "wall street journal" and wrote an article earlier this week titled how maybe to reach an illusive big deal.
senator lindsey graham spoke to fox news after the meal. he indicates they are heading in the right direction but there is still a long way to go. >> i can tell you that the president has been the campaigner in chief and it hasn't worked, and at the end of the day this is his legacy, his last term, and i do believe that the ronald reagan model where he sat down with tip o'neal has been the right model. the president has been a very distant figure to republicans and democrats. he's always...
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next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i have think better still, we're going to do it in a more sensible way than the way the underlying law did it but capture the savings and have discretionary spending cut back to where it was before president obama took office, i think. and so that's progress. but it's the small stuff. we need pro growth tax reform. we need to get on a sustainable fiscal path. i think it's flawed policy in washington that's the reason our economy is so weak right now. >> brian: let me tell you what some left wing columnists are saying. this shows mitch mcconnell is not representing you the right way and there are some
next thing you know, he picks up the phone and calls lindsey graham and says, can you get a bunch of guys together for supper? >> yeah, listen. i understand that. those are valid observations. i think you're absolutely right. the president and the administration went way overboard unpredicting the apom lips of the waste -- apocalypse and i think most americans get they can trim 1% without the end of civilization. i think it's constructive that we'll achieve the savings of the sequester. i...
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one interesting response we heard from another republican, senator lindsey graham, who thinks another paul is on the wrong track. >> the program he used overseas has made us safer. this idea we would use a drone to target american in a cafe in america is ridiculous. i think the american people need to understand the threat we face. >> reporter: if senator paul wanted to break senator strom thurmond's record for the longest filibuster ever, he would have needed to speak until five past noon today. he says he doesn't think filibustering will be a regular occurrence for him. bill: we shall see, right? really attracted a lot of attention this way. peter, thank leading our coverage on that. martha has more now. martha: indeed he did. he went on for almost 13 hours. here is the end of it. >> i thank you very much for the forbearance and i yield the floor. >> mr. president? >> senator from illinois. [applause] there will be order. there will be order. martha: applause at the end there. senator paul's filibuster now in the history books. how does it stack up? the most recent one was a little
one interesting response we heard from another republican, senator lindsey graham, who thinks another paul is on the wrong track. >> the program he used overseas has made us safer. this idea we would use a drone to target american in a cafe in america is ridiculous. i think the american people need to understand the threat we face. >> reporter: if senator paul wanted to break senator strom thurmond's record for the longest filibuster ever, he would have needed to speak until five...
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however -- >> brian: lindsey graham and mccain, get there and say, listen, let's start again. let's just start fresh. what do you need? >> steve: should we bet a dollar right now? >> brian: dollar on the line. >> steve: right there. >> gretchen: wait, what are we bit bething on? >> steve: bipartisanship breaks out. >> gretchen: really? that's worth manner a buck to me. >> steve: because the dozen senators he's inviting over have a history of being bipartisan because the president needs to get stuff done. anyway, more on that later on of the we've got breaking news. tv icon, valerie harper, facing a devastating diagnosis. she just revealed she has terminal brain cancer. harper best known for her 1970s role as rhoda on "the mary tyler move" show and her on show" rhoda." she told people magazine she found out about the cancer in january. doctors say she could have as little as three months to live. she previously battled lung cancer in the year of 2009. she's been on this program a number of times. she is a wonderful person. >> gretchen: very sad news. a democrat in colorado lect
however -- >> brian: lindsey graham and mccain, get there and say, listen, let's start again. let's just start fresh. what do you need? >> steve: should we bet a dollar right now? >> brian: dollar on the line. >> steve: right there. >> gretchen: wait, what are we bit bething on? >> steve: bipartisanship breaks out. >> gretchen: really? that's worth manner a buck to me. >> steve: because the dozen senators he's inviting over have a history of being...
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the only people who are objecting are the two cranky old guys in the senate, lindsey graham and john mccain. [ laughter ] >> steve: all right. geraldo. >> clayton: we want our viewers to weigh in on that topic. plus this, much was made this week of senator rand paul, his big filibuster. he actually gave a speech. he want reading from a magazine or a phone book or anything. he gave a speech. he was citing all sorts of libertarian bloggers as it relates to these drone strikes in the united states' use of these drone strikes around the world and here at home. he wanted clarification on something very specific, which is does the american government have the right to launch a drone here in manhattan, new mexico, wherever, and target an american citizen who is a non-combatant and the white house responded. the attorney general eric holder said no. so the white house actually gave some movement on that. what did you make of this back and forth? >> well, first of all, i think that what senator rand paul did with that 13-hour filibuster was absolutely magnificent. i was so proud of him. he wa
the only people who are objecting are the two cranky old guys in the senate, lindsey graham and john mccain. [ laughter ] >> steve: all right. geraldo. >> clayton: we want our viewers to weigh in on that topic. plus this, much was made this week of senator rand paul, his big filibuster. he actually gave a speech. he want reading from a magazine or a phone book or anything. he gave a speech. he was citing all sorts of libertarian bloggers as it relates to these drone strikes in the...
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there are senators like lindsey graham who are willing to put more revenue on the table in exchange for entitlement changes, a decade or more away from now. i think that you could see a deal where they do something on new revenues matched with entitlement cuts and then keep the $1.2 trillion covered by sequestration, but reorder them. decide that different programs are going to get cut, maybe more get cut in the out years, say not this year and next year but in the other eight years that are covered by sequestration. you could see that being part of a deal. >> yeah. putting it another way, we're really actually not that far from something that makes sense. if you got another 400 to $600 billion in revenues and you rearranged that $1.2 trillion to include something sensible on entitlements and restore some of these stupid discretionary cuts, you would be at $4 trillion of deficit reduction that a lot of us feel is not all we hoped for but enough to at least sleep at night. >> so where are we? break it down. >> we're right now at about $3.5 trillion of deficit reduction that we've achieve
there are senators like lindsey graham who are willing to put more revenue on the table in exchange for entitlement changes, a decade or more away from now. i think that you could see a deal where they do something on new revenues matched with entitlement cuts and then keep the $1.2 trillion covered by sequestration, but reorder them. decide that different programs are going to get cut, maybe more get cut in the out years, say not this year and next year but in the other eight years that are...
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well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i think he's frankly made a fool of himself the last 24 hours. frankly, on this issue, i don't think jeb bush is a florida leader. i think marco rubio is. bush has been elected to nothing lately. rubio is the leader on immigration. >> okay. joe, a new poll by latino decisions shows immigration reform is by far the most important issue for hispanic voters. that's by the economy and jobs, education and health care. >> john heilemann, let's talk, john heilemann, about your next book. bush -- "game change 2016." i think this may have to be the opening scene of jeb getting out of a cab in the middle of the dark, y
well, senator lindsey graham who is working to craft legislation on the issue said the proposal outlined in mr. bush's book, quote, undercuts what we're trying to do. but governor bush seemed to change his stance somewhat during a series of recent interviews prompting tough criticism from senate majority leader harry reid. >> let's wait for a few minutes and see how jeb bush changes his mind again. his opinion on immigration is not evolving. it's devolving. he keeps going backwards. i...
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graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p. message, the conservative message in this country is u know, put in the right form? is it actually out there in the right way to be kpwupbd, whoever is the one to communicate it? >> not right now. this is something that really needs a lot of work and maybe women can lead the charge on this. conservatives tend to argue in facts and facts tending to cold. when we talk about the deficit or debtor tax rates all of what we're saying as a conservative, i believe is accurate, but it tends not to resonate because it's not cast in more emotional terms. of i think what conserva
graham pushing back against rand paul and ted cruz, and the new guard. women tend to negotiate those things a little bit more diplomatically, not less forcefully but more diplomatically. jenna: you say the women have the ability, specifically the conservative women you mention to reflect and express the message of the g.o.p. better over the next couple of years, or maybe to the advantage of the g.o.p. over the next couple of years. still let's go back to the message. do you think the g.o.p....
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particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if he doesn't have much to say today. did he a lot of talking yesterday. nearly 13 hours worth. >> i rise today to begin to filibuster john brennan's nomination for the cia. i will speak until i can no longer speak. i will speak as long as it takes. >> and speak he did. from 11:47 wednesday morning until well past midnight. the senator's attack focused squarely on the president's drone program and its use on on american citizens overseas and possibly here on u.s. soil. paul alone. he got help. a couple fellow senators took over for a brief time asking questions or reading tweets. but it was a tea party senator
particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if...
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graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white house to socialize, and his answer was, you know what, i played golf with john boehner, we had fun, but it didn't get a budget deal done in 2011, it didn't work. i spoke with a senior administration official who said to me, you know what, there is this myth in washington that if we all sit down around a table, somehow, something miraculous is going to occur and republicans are going to start working with us. so clearly it was something he thought was pretty absurd. so lo and behold, brooke, now we have the presi
graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white...
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the 12 senators he had dinner with, lindsey graham, john mccain, bob corker and a few others want to reach the deal on a bipartisan big-budget deal and what he's trying to do is work around mcconnell, that we'll discuss later, can't work with president obama right now because he has a primary to work about. john boehner can't work with him because the house republicans don't like him. if the president can find 15 republicans to work with and craft a deal it can probably be passed in the house and senate and become law, and that's the main goal. gun control, immigration, these meetings will not help, but that one issue i think it will help a lot. >> amy, one of the things -- one of the things that seems to have come out of this meeting if you were to believe peggy noonan's account with the two senators not named in the "wall street journal" piece that she wrote, at one point three of the senators became emotional. like the picture, again, the picture that's painted, at least is that folks are sitting around a table who just kind of rediscovered each other and some were moved to tears.
the 12 senators he had dinner with, lindsey graham, john mccain, bob corker and a few others want to reach the deal on a bipartisan big-budget deal and what he's trying to do is work around mcconnell, that we'll discuss later, can't work with president obama right now because he has a primary to work about. john boehner can't work with him because the house republicans don't like him. if the president can find 15 republicans to work with and craft a deal it can probably be passed in the house...
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it came from lindsey graham during a phone conversation last weekend. those invited to the dinner focused to stop the budget standoff were invited by graham and not the president. his closest senate friends were on the list but also invited senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, including tea party favorites. >> a very open honest sincere general discussion. >> if there's one issue democrats and republicans agree in congress, it this is fact they don't think president obama reaches out enough, but it's clearly a big change in strategy, and you see it today, his lunch partner today at the white house, paul ryan. matt? >>> meanwhile, there is new opposition this morning to the tsa's decision to allow passengers to carry small knives on to planes. representatives for the federal air marshals and flight attendants say they want that policy change to be reconsidered. sarah nelson is the president of the association of flight attendants and also a flight attendant for united airlines. good to have you here. >> thank you so much. >> were
it came from lindsey graham during a phone conversation last weekend. those invited to the dinner focused to stop the budget standoff were invited by graham and not the president. his closest senate friends were on the list but also invited senators who have a particular interest in the budget debate, including tea party favorites. >> a very open honest sincere general discussion. >> if there's one issue democrats and republicans agree in congress, it this is fact they don't think...